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He is informed that the owners of the Inkula took this very course in another case and paid up to £700. This should be verified; but was it reasonable to insist that the owners Italians should reship these men as passengers at £17 a head or whatever the actual sum was when by a definite agreement they could pay over to the men a sum of money smaller in amount but which would clearly not leave them destitute for some time.

In what respects did the men allege that they had been misled as regards their agreement? On what grounds does the harbour master in his earlier minute suggest that the owners' guarantee might not be genuine and in his later minute that their action, which consisted in discharging men in accordance with a contract with a certain sum of money in their possession and a promise to pay the cost of repatriation if they became distressed sailors, was 'unscrupulous'.

7. What is the exact law and practice in the United Kingdom? There must be numbers of cases where foreign crews are discharged in British ports. If they have some money in their pockets it surely is not insisted that the ship owners shall pay for sending them back at once if the contract does not provide for it.

We must safeguard Hong Kong from being over-run with castaways but equally we must in the interests of the reputation of the port be clear that we are dealing fairly with British shipping.

I should be inclined to put points 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, to the Governor and points 5 and 7 to the Board of Trade.

Please consider a deal as harr consider CPL best irite GB asin mena gove on for You think BT to 5 & for pencint 8 Feb.

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CONFIDENTIAL

Hongkong.

900

43235

Inclosure 1.

W

Sir,

Reeb C 0.

2974

549

MAJ 30 JAL. 05

Government House,

Hongkong, 27th December, 1904.

Du referring to your telegram of the 22nd instant enquiring if the crew of the S.S. "Inkula" had been discharged on the terms agreed and to my reply of the 23rd stating that all of them had been discharged except two who declined to sign off their agreement, I have the honour to transmit for your information a further minute by the Harbour Master from which it appears that I was in error in assenting in my previous telegram of the 15th to the crew being discharged on the owners guarantee of the cost of repatriation without the further stipulation that the owners should maintain the men in the Sailors' Home until repatriated.

2.

The due provision for the subsistence and maintenance of seamen of which the Harbour Master has to be satisfied under Subsection 5. (a), Section 7 of "The Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1899", before allowing discharge in the port, is usually taken to be the deposit with him of $60 for the subsistence and maintenance of each man in the Home, it having been found by experience that a deposit of this amount is nearly always sufficient to provide for a seaman until an opportunity occurs to send him to Europe. In the present instance the

THE RIGHT HONOURABLE

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He is informed that the owners of the Inkula took this very course in another case and paid up to £700. This should be verified; but was it reasonable to insist that the owners Italians should reship these men as passengers at £17 a head or whatever the actual sum was when by a definite agreement they could pay over to the men a sum of money smaller in amount but which would clearly not leave them destitute for some time. In what respects did the men allege that they had been misled as regards their agreement? On what grounds does the harbour master in his earlier minute suggest that the owners' guarantee might not be genuine and in his later minute that their action, which consisted in discharging men in accordance with a contract with a certain sum of money in their possession and a promise to pay the cost of repatriation if they became distressed sailors, was 'unscrupulous'. 7. What is the exact law and practice in the United Kingdom? There must be numbers of cases where foreign crews are discharged in British ports. If they have some money in their pockets it surely is not insisted that the ship owners shall pay for sending them back at once if the contract does not provide for it. We must safeguard Hong Kong from being over-run with castaways but equally we must in the interests of the reputation of the port be clear that we are dealing fairly with British shipping. I should be inclined to put points 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, to the Governor and points 5 and 7 to the Board of Trade. Please consider a deal as harr consider CPL best irite GB asin mena gove on for You think BT to 5 & for pencint 8 Feb. Page 4 CONFIDENTIAL Hongkong. 900 43235 Inclosure 1. W Sir, Reeb C 0. 2974 549 MAJ 30 JAL. 05 Government House, Hongkong, 27th December, 1904. Du referring to your telegram of the 22nd instant enquiring if the crew of the S.S. "Inkula" had been discharged on the terms agreed and to my reply of the 23rd stating that all of them had been discharged except two who declined to sign off their agreement, I have the honour to transmit for your information a further minute by the Harbour Master from which it appears that I was in error in assenting in my previous telegram of the 15th to the crew being discharged on the owners guarantee of the cost of repatriation without the further stipulation that the owners should maintain the men in the Sailors' Home until repatriated. 2. The due provision for the subsistence and maintenance of seamen of which the Harbour Master has to be satisfied under Subsection 5. (a), Section 7 of "The Merchant Shipping Ordinance, 1899", before allowing discharge in the port, is usually taken to be the deposit with him of $60 for the subsistence and maintenance of each man in the Home, it having been found by experience that a deposit of this amount is nearly always sufficient to provide for a seaman until an opportunity occurs to send him to Europe. In the present instance the THE RIGHT HONOURABLE ALFRED LYTTELTON, K.C., M.P. &c.. &c.. &c.. men
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He is informed that the owners of the Inkula took this v course in another case and paid up to £700. This should be verified;but was it reasonable to insist that the owners Italians should reship these men as passengers at £17 a head or whatever the actual sum was when by a definite agreement they could pay over to the men a sum of money smaller in amount but which would clearly not leave them destitute for some time. 6. In what respects did the men allege that they had been misled as regards their agreement: On what grounds does the harbour master in his earlier minute suggest that the owners' guarantee might not be genuine and in his later minute that their action, which consisted in discharging men in accordance with a contract with a certain sum of money in their possession and a promise to pay the cost of repatriation if they became distressed sailors, was 'unscrupulous' . 77. What is the exact law and practice in the United Kingdom? There must be numbers of cases where foreign crews are discharged in British ports. If they have some money in their pockets it surely is not insisted that the ship owners shall pay for sending them back at once if the contract does not provide for it. We must safeguard Hong Kong from being over-run with castaways but equally we must in the interests of the reputation of the port be clear that we are dealing fairly with British shipping. I should be inclined to put points 1, 2, 3, 4,6, to the Governor and points 5 and 7 to the Board of Trade. Please conside a deal as harr consider CPL best irite GB asin mena gove on for You think BT to 5 & for pencint 8 Feb. 4 CONFIDENTIAL Hongkong. 900 43235 Inclosure 1. W Sir, Reeb C 0. 2974 549 MAJ 30 JAL. 05 Government House, Hongkong, 27th. December, 1904. Du keferring to your telegram of the 22nd. in- stant enquiring if the crew of the S.S. "Inkula" had been dis- O charged on the teras agreed and to my reply of the 23rd. stat- ing that all of them had been discharged except two who declined to sign off their agreement, I have the honour to transsit for your information a further minute by the Harbour Master from which it appears that I was in error in assenting in my pre- vious telegram of the 15th. to the crew being discharged on the owners guarantee of the cost of repatriation without the fur- ther stipulation that the owners should maintain the men in th Sailors' Home until repatriated. 04 2. The due provision for the subsistence and main tenance of seamen of which the Harbour Master bas to be satis- fied under Subsection 5. (a), Section 7 of "The Merchant Ship- ping Ordinance, 1899", before allowing discharge in the port, is usually taken to be the deposit with him of $60 for the sub- sistence and maintenance of each man in the Home, it having been found by experience that a deposit of this amount is near- ly always sufficient to provide for a seaman until an opportuni ty occurs to send him to Europe. In the present instance the THE RIGHT HONOURABLE ALFRED LYTTELTON, K.C., M.P. &c.. &c.. &c.. men ན་
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He is informed that the owners of the Inkula took this v

course in another case and paid up to £700. This should be

verified;but was it reasonable to insist that the owners

Italians should reship these men as passengers at £17 a head or

whatever the actual sum was when by a definite agreement

they could pay over to the men a sum of money smaller in

amount but which would clearly not leave them destitute

for some time.

6.

In what respects did the men allege that they had

been misled as regards their agreement: On what grounds does the harbour master in his earlier minute suggest

that the owners' guarantee might not be genuine and in his later minute that their action, which consisted in

discharging men in accordance with a contract with a

certain sum of money in their possession and a promise

to pay the cost of repatriation if they became distressed

sailors, was 'unscrupulous' .

77. What is the exact law and practice in the United Kingdom? There must be numbers of cases where foreign crews are discharged in British ports. If they have some money in their pockets it surely is not insisted that the ship owners shall pay for sending them back at once if the contract does not provide for it.

We must safeguard Hong Kong from being over-run with castaways but equally we must in the interests of the reputation of the port be clear that we are dealing fairly with British shipping.

I should be inclined to put points 1, 2, 3, 4,6, to the Governor and points 5 and 7 to the Board of Trade.

Please conside a deal as

harr consider CPL

best

irite GB

asin mena

gove on for

You think

BT to 5 & for pencint

8 Feb.

4

CONFIDENTIAL

Hongkong.

900

43235

Inclosure 1.

W

Sir,

Reeb

C 0.

2974

549

MAJ 30 JAL. 05

Government House,

Hongkong, 27th. December, 1904.

Du keferring to your telegram of the 22nd. in-

stant enquiring if the crew of the S.S. "Inkula" had been dis-

O charged on the teras agreed and to my reply of the 23rd. stat-

ing that all of them had been discharged except two who declined

to sign off their agreement, I have the honour to transsit for

your information a further minute by the Harbour Master from

which it appears that I was in error in assenting in my pre-

vious telegram of the 15th. to the crew being discharged on the

owners guarantee of the cost of repatriation without the fur-

ther stipulation that the owners should maintain the men in th

Sailors' Home until repatriated.

04

2.

The due provision for the subsistence and main

tenance of seamen of which the Harbour Master bas to be satis-

fied under Subsection 5. (a), Section 7 of "The Merchant Ship-

ping Ordinance, 1899", before allowing discharge in the port,

is usually taken to be the deposit with him of $60 for the sub-

sistence and maintenance of each man in the Home, it having

been found by experience that a deposit of this amount is near-

ly always sufficient to provide for a seaman until an opportuni

ty occurs to send him to Europe. In the present instance the

THE RIGHT HONOURABLE

ALFRED LYTTELTON, K.C., M.P.

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men

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